Monday, May 27, 2013

The Throne

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem.

There is a great deal of cure (healing) to be had from the Quran, its verses and its teachings. The healing can be physical, psychological, social etc.

So what exactly does the Ayat (verse) ul-Kursi (the throne) speak about? It addresses HE who sits on the throne - This is what it looks like, in arabic (although there are many decorative arrangements of the verse).

The article below explains the Tafsir (or teachings) held within the verse. A quranic verse is never as straight forward as the words that the deliver the message although unlike other religious texts, the quran is very straightforward and basically says what it means and means what it says, within the context  of what it says. Let's review the article below. ** Please note my comments are in pink, although I have editted font and font size for emphasis of that which has particularly moved my soul.

All I can say is ALHAMDOLILAH, that we serve the highest, creator of ALL that is seen and unseen, giver of life, Omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, against whom no power or might can avail. Everything else, after reading this, seems simply infinitesmally too small to contemplate. One begins to get the sense of the awesome power and might of this ONE Creator, that is truly beyond our full conceptualisation.

Oh Allah, Lord of the Arsh, Giver of Life, the ONE that was and is and evermore shall be, encompass me by Your Divine Mercy within your bosom, keep me from harsh trials and protect me from the evils of the world. Relieve from me all harm without causing me harm, and grant me goodness in this world and goodness in the next. Allah, allow me to see Your Divine Face, and hear your Beloved voice call me "dear one". For what else is there that can compare to so great a LOVE as yours? Insh'Allah.. Ameen. 







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The Ayat of al-Kursi should be recited every day after the Prayer by the Ummah globally, many also recite the passage of al-Kursi for numerous other purposes every day. It is well known but people rarely ponder over its meaning. It is one of the most sublime and majestic examples of the Qur'anic style.

It is a compressed articulation of the Divine in a single verse.

Whilst at the same time the doctrine has practical and spiritual repercussions for the believer.

اللّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Allah! There is no God but He,
the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal.
No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep.
All things in heaven and earth are His.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures.
Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills.
His throne extends over the heavens and the earth,
and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them,
for He is the Highest and Most Exalted.
(Al Baqara: 255)

Fada'il (excellence of the Verse)
The excellences (fada'il) of Ayat al-Kursi are many as collected by Imam al-Suyuti in his extensive commentary of the Qur'an in the narrative genre (tafsir bi 'l-riwayat). He outlined many benefits including:

1. The Exalted status of the verse
Ahmad with the wording in Muslim, Abu Dawud, Ibn Durays, al-Hakim and al-Harawi have reported regarding the excellence [of Ayat al-Kursi] from Ubay Ibn Ka`b that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was asked about which verse of the Holy Qur'an was the most exalted and he صلى الله عليه وسلم replied: "Ayat al-Kursi "Allah. There is no deity except Allah the Living and Everlasting..." By Him in whose Hand is my soul; [this verse] has a tongue and two lips with which it sanctifies the King at the foot of the Throne."[1]

In another version: "Bukhari narrates in his Ta'rikh, al-Tabarani as well as Abu Nu`aym in al-Ma`rifa with his chain of transmission (isnad) who are all upright from Ibn al-Asqa` al-Bakri that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was asked which verse of the Qur'an was the most exalted and he replied: {Allah! There is no God but He the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber can seize nor can sleep...} until he finished the verse."[2]

2. Its protective power:
al-Bayhaqi narrates in his Shu`ab al-Ima[3] from Anas who said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Whoever recites the Ayat al-Kursi after every obligatory salah, he will be protected until the next salah and none but the Prophets, Siddiq or martyrs were firm on it..."[4]

Ibn al-Najjar narrates in his Ta'rikh Baghdad from Ibn `Abbas who said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Whoever recites Ayat al-Kursi after every obligatory salah, Allah will grant him the heart of those who are thankful, the deeds of the siddiqun, the rewards of the Prophets and will extend his right hand with Mercy and will not prevent him from entering Paradise until he dies whereupon he will be made to enter it."[5]

3. The Exalted name of God is contained within it
Ibn Abi 'l-Dunya in his al-Du`a', al-Tabarani, Ibn Mardawayh, al-Harawi in his Fada'il as well as al-Bayhaqi in [Kitab] al-Asma` wa'l-Sifat all report from Abu Umama that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

"The Exalted Name of Allah is in three chapters of the Qur'an which if one calls Him by it He responds. al-Baqara, Ali `Imran and Ta-Ha." Abu Umama said: "I looked for them and found that in al-Baqara: 255 there was the Ayat al-Kursi "Allah. There is no deity except Allah the Living and Everlasting"; in Al `Imran:2 there was "Allah. There is no deity except Allah the Living and Everlasting" and in Ta-Ha:111 "And [all] faces shall be humbled before (Allah), the Ever Living..."[6]

Imam al-Qurtubi mentioned in his tafsir the following in his tafsir of that when Ayat al-Kursi was revealed:
"From Muhammad al-Hanafiyya who narrates that: when Ayat al-Kursi was revealed, every idol and every king in the world fell in prostration and the crowns of kings fell off their heads. Devils fled (harabat), colliding in one another in confusion until they came to their [chief] Iblis and they told him of this [event] and he sent them to find out what had happened so when they came to Medina they were told that Ayat al-Kursi had been revealed."[7] (Subhannallah!!)



These verses of the Qur'an are is theologically loaded as they encapsulate Islam central concept of tawhid (Allah's unity). It is also a source for philosophical and rational reflection about Allah سبحانه وتعالى and his attributes.
There are also many relevant practical implications for any person serious about the deen, da`wa and developing themselves to become better committed believers. The verse has 16 occurrences of ascriptions to Allah سبحانه وتعالى, 7 being of a direct divine name or nominal term:
Allah
الله
Ilah
إِلَـهَ
Huwa
هُوَ
Al-Hayy
الـحيّ
Al-Qayyum  
القـيوم
Al-`Ali
العَلِىُّ
Al-`Azim
العَظِيمُ

There are 10 complete sentences, each expresses a distinct concept and idea about the Divine.

Basic Commentary
"Allah" / [الله]: Allah's exalted name (ism jalala) that he has reserved for himself and is not derived from any root.[8]
لا إله إلا هو
"There is no deity but He The Eternal and Everlasting"
Here there is a negation (la nafiyat al-jins) i.e. Allah's emphatic and total negation of anything resembling a deity that can be compared to Him. Nothing is comparable to him.[9]

Tawhid requires emphatic language
"The second point: Some say ‘al-ilah' means ‘the one worshipped' (al-ma'bud) but this is incorrect from two aspects. The first aspect is that The Most High was an ilah from all eternity but was not someone who was a ma`bud (‘a being worshipped' [S. meaning he did not have the property of ‘being worshipped']). The second aspect is that the Most high has affirmed and mentioned other beings who are worshipped aside from himself as in "you and what you all worship besides Allah." [al-Anbiya':98]. Rather, an Ilah is a being that when it does something, is worthy of total religious worship...]."[10]

Thus, a deity must be a kind of being that is worthy of devotion, total submission and obedience. Allah سبحانه وتعالى is a perfect being and the nature and attributes that he has require rationally that he be worshipped. Such a being cannot be deficient or lacking in any sense. It must also be free from limitations.
الحي القيوم

"The Living and Everlasting"
Allah سبحانه وتعالى is living and real - not an abstract inert and disinterested Creator who has set up the world on clockwork and let it run. No. He intervenes in history and acts for the believers. He can change plans, stop who he wants to and realise whatever he wishes in his eternal providential plan.

Allah is al-qayyum (‘Everlasting'). The word has connotations of Allah being self-subsistent, Self-existing as well as that Being which holds everything in existence:
"{al-Qayyum} existing by governing the creation or sustaining every person and rewarding with His knowledge from what each has earned. It can also mean holding all things in being; knowledge of all matters..."[11]
Allah سبحانه وتعالى being al'qayyum affirms the attribute of eternality, everlastingness, self-subsistence, Divine aseity doctrine, etc.

لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ
"Slumber does not seize him nor does fatigue"
Allah سبحانه وتعالى is not overcome with any difficulty or deficiencies. He also faces no hindrance in doing whatever He wishes. He can sustain anything in being without any difficulty. This affirms His attribute of Eternal and everlastingness and infinite independent nature.

لَّهُ مَا فِي ٱلسَّمَـٰوَاتِ وَمَا فِي ٱلأَرْضِ
"All things in heaven and earth belong to Him"
"As for the Most High saying {everything in the Heavens and the earth belongs to Him...} it is referring to the creation and dominion and what is implied in this is what we mentioned earlier namely that if a necessarily existent being can only be one, then anything other than it possibly existent being and anything that is merely possible is brought into being and anything that is brought into being is originated and so anything else other than [the necessary being] is originated and contingent.."[12]

The logic is that contingently existing entities (dependent objects) do not have the power intrinsically to effect change or produce anything. They depend for their existence on something else. Allah owns the universe. He governs the Universe. He controls the universe. He is the sovereign Lord and King.(Allahuakbar!)


يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَآءَ
"He knows what appears in front of and behind [all] of His creatures.
Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except of what he wills"
Allah knows everything: the past, future and present (as well as ‘counterfactuals' [what someone would have done but did not actually do it]). This affirms the Divine Omniscience.

وُسْعُ كرسيِّه السمواتُ والأرضُ
"And His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth"
There is much written about the word ‘kursi' and what it means with divided opinion. Imam al-Mawardi succinctly summarises the various opinions:
"Regarding the Kursi, there are two opinions: the first: it is one of Allah's attributes and the second: that it is attributes pertaining to something created [by Allah]. Those who hold the first opinion have four interpretations:
(1) it is Allah's knowledge which was the view of Ibn `Abbas;
(2) it is Allah's power;
(3) Allah's dominion and
(4) Allah's planned decree.
If it is said [the Kursi] is attributes pertaining to something created [by Allah] then it has three interpretations:
(1) it is the Throne itself which was the view of al-Hasan;
(2) it is a footstool and not the throne and
(3) it is a chair below the throne which is above the water..."[13]

Imam al-Razi's preference or approval for the opinion of al-Qaffal is instructive here:
"[...] these words are meant to describe Allah's greatness and exaltation through images. This means that Allah addressed His creatures in ways familiar to them through their own kings in order that He might make known His essence and attributes to them.  He therefore made the Ka`ba a house for Himself and people perform tawaf around it as they do the houses of their kings. It is also mentioned that the Black Stone is the right hand of Allah on this earth thus He made it an object of reverent kissing as men would kiss the hands of their kings [...] hence by analogy He declared a throne for Himself... "[14]

Imam al-Mawardi explains the different nuances of the term ‘al-`aliy' (Most High):
"the first opinion is that the word ‘al-`aaliy' (‘The High') would be referring to something that resides in an exalted place whereas the word ‘al-`aliy' (‘The Highest') is something that is absolutely entitled to the loftiest and exalted place and so may not have anything that shares with it in rank so on this view it would be permitted to describe Allah as ‘The Highest' but not ‘The High' whereas on the first view one may describe Allah with both terms..."[15]

Implications
The magnificence and special status of this verse makes the chapter it occurs in special too because the topic is about Allah's unity as well as Allah's nature and attributes. This makes the doctrine lofty and extremely important.

We should be on full guard in preserving and maintaining Allah's transcendence (tanzih) and sovereignty. In other words, we should be pondering about tawhid and its implications. Do we for example do anything that might compromise Allah's sovereignty or are we engaging in anything that might border on or infringe upon His right to be Legislator or Lawgiver.

Pondering over Ayat al-Kursi should make us feel humbled before the Majesty and Glory of Allah سبحانه وتعالى. It should remind us of the sheer insignificant standing we have in comparison to Him and how this alerts us to the unjustified character of our haughtiness, arrogance and pride in making ourselves the standard in all things whereas only He has the right to set standards.

Allah سبحانه وتعالى is the sovereign King. The Universe is His ranch. He owns the Universe. He controls the forces/causes in this world, He can contravene the laws of nature, He decides what happens or not. This should make us understand that our term has been fixed by Allah and our rizq (sustenance) is fixed (we will get it). We submit to Him on this understanding that when we are enjoined to do a task like carry this call of re-establishing Islam as a way of life through the khilafa, we fear nothing and no-one. Nothing can harm us and nothing can benefit us except if Allah wills.

Allah knowing everything, i.e. being Omniscient means He sees and knows everything we do. We cannot hide from Allah so the only thing to do is to flee to Allah. We must also submit to Him and his tadbir (providential organisation of the world and its events). We must rely on Him totally and listen to His commands without question Allah's foretelling and promises that will come to pass.


References

[1] See Muslim, Sahih, 1:556 (#810); al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak ala'l-Sahihayn, 1:561; Abu Dawud, Sunan, 2:27 (#1460) and Ahmad in his Musnad, 5/141 (#21315). See also al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, 2:6.
[2] al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, 2:6.
[3] al-Bayhaqi, Shu`ab al-Iman, 2:458 (#2395-6).
[4] al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, 2:6; al-Tabarani, al-Mu`jam al-Kabir, 3:38 (#2732) and al-Haythami, Majma` al-Zawa'id, 2:148.
[5] al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, 2:6. Cf. al-Nasa'i, al-Sunan al-Kubra, 6:30 (#9928) and al-Tabarani, al-Mu`jam al-Awsat, 8:93 (#8068).
[6] al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur, 2:9.
[7] See al-Jami` li-Ahkam al-Qur'an, 2:268.
[8] al-Zajjaj, Ishtiqaq Asma' Allah, pp.26-42.
[9] See al-Darwish, I`rab al-Qur'an and Karim wa Bayanuhu, 1:283.
[10] al-Razi, Mafatih al-Ghayb, 7:2-14.
[11] al-`Izz ibn `Abd al-Salam, Tafsir al-Qur'an, s.v. 2:255.
[12] al-Razi, Mafatih al-Ghayb, 7:11.
[13] al-Mawardi, al-Nukat wa'l-`Uyun, 1:270-271.
[14] al-Razi, Mafatih al-Ghayb, 7:12.
[15] al-Mawardi, al-Nukat wa'l-`Uyun, 1:271

Friday, May 24, 2013

Black magic and its punishment

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem


For many people the idea that they may be under a curse or perhaps suffering the effects of some "evil art" is far fetched and the absolute last resort thought after all the last resort thoughts possible.

However, the effects of Black Magic can be subtle, can mimick physical illness (without ever a real root cause) and can damage individuals, relationships, and actually eat away at the fabric of society.

For many people speaking of black magic harks back to some Middle Ages era and it sheer rubbish. For many others it is a daily reality. The proof that such things do exist lies in the fact that our Prophet (saw) himself was victim to it. Here is an interesting article concerning punishment under Islamic Law.For those of you may be considering what appears to be "an easy way out", let it be a warning, for those who may already have engaged in such depravity of the soul, it is a promise that what's coming to you will find its way unless you repent and stop, and undo whatever you can.
Let me start off by saying that Black Magic, Sihr, Jaddo, witchcraft or whatever you want to call it is PROHIBITED by ALLAH most High. To engage in it is beyond an attempt of manipulation of life or the livign, it is in fact trying to alter the present or future to suit one'self without going to Allah, but through your own means, or the means of a Saahir (someone who performs such evil).

WARNING: IF you are engaging in Sihr, and do not stop immediately, that which ALLAH will do to you is far worse than what any human being can do when being oppressed in such a fashion 

Prohibition of Magic (SIHR) - prohibition of magic sihr




















Article source:
http://sunnahmuakada.wordpress.com/tag/punishment-under-islamic-law-for-practicing-sihr-magic/
All credit given to the author.

" Punishment under Islamic Law for Practicing Sihr [Magic] The Messenger of Allaah said, “He is not of us, the one who sees evil omens, or the one the one whose behalf they are seen, or the one who practices soothsaying, or the one on whose behalf it is practiced; or the one who practices sorcery, or the one for whom sorcery is done.” (At-Tabaraanee) He also says, “And the magician will never be successful no matter what amount (of skill) he may attain.” (Taahaa 20: 69) The Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said: ‘Kill every sorcerer, for this is the punishment ordained by Allah.’ This is the opinion of Abu Haneefah, Maalik, and Ahmed. Imam Ahmad said, “Capital punishment for the sorcerer has been authentically reported from three companions of the Prophet. It is reported from Umar that he wrote, “Kill every sorcerer and sorceress.” Bujaalah (a sub-narrator) said, “Then we killed three sorceresses.” It is also authentically reported from Hafsah (Prophet’s wife) that she ordered a maid of hers to be killed because she did sorcery on her.” Jundub bin Kaab was also authentically reported that he beheaded a magician who was playing his magic in front of Waleed and said, “Let him use his magic for his own benefit now.” According to Imam Malik, a person who practices Sihr (Saahir), but does not have it done for himself is similar to the person Allah describes in the following verse: “And they learned what hurt them, and did not profit them, knowing well that whoso buys it shall have no share in the world to come.” (al-Baqarah 2/102) According the verse, Imam Malik believed that the punishment for practicing Sihr is the death sentence. (Muwatta, 628) According to Ibn Qudamah, the punishment for practicing Sihr is the death sentence. This view was reported by Umar (radiyallahu anh), Uthman Ibn Affan (radiyallahu anh), Ibn Umar (radiyallahu anh), Hafsa (radiyallahu anha), Jundub Ibn Abdullah (radiyallahu anh), Jundub Ibn Ka’b (radiyallahu anh), Qays Ibn Sa’d (rahimahullaah) and Umar Ibn Abdu’l-Aziz. It is also the view of Abu Hanifa and Malik. Continue reading → Posted in Fiqh | Tagged abdul qadir al jilani Allah al quran aqeedah comparative religion dhikr ego fasting fiqh ghazali Hadith heart history ihya ullum al deen ikhlas islam law letter madhhab muhammad nafs ottoman prayer pr, Punishment under Islamic Law for Practicing Sihr [Magic]"

If you have been led to this page and read the above, if you are practicing or know of someone who has been practicing this or asked for sihr to be done on anyone for ANY reason, you have now been warned. You cannot say you did not know, you cannot say you did not intend, you cannot say you meant no harm.

THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE, NOT BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO DO EVIL, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO LOOK ON AND DO NOTHING"

Thursday, April 18, 2013

Death. PURE. Simple. Death.

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem

What I share today is very personal, I make duah Allah use it for his glory, insh'Allah.

I remember when my dear friend asked me to prepare her body for burial; she knew she was dying, and everyone else believed she was just being a little melodramatic. But pass away she did, and a promise pulled out of me, left me with fear and trepidation. No-one knew of my promise so I guess if I hadn't honoured it, no-one but I would know because my beloeved sister could no longer speak. But Allah would know, and my fear for HIM and my love for my sister was greater than my fear of "corpses" and coming face to face with death.

I had seen death before; my best friend passed away from cancer when I was in my last year of school - we were both catholic at the time, she a young convert from buddhism. She asked me at the time to "help her", to relieve her pain, essentially to put her out of her misery. She looked like a corpse already, she could barely breathe much less talk and her eyes had this depth as though the grave was already inside her. Seeing her in her coffin, surrounded by her wordly "treasures", at an age of 19, dressed in her little white baptismal dress, she was simply a lifeless body. There was nothing that reminded me of the Daphne I knew. I kissed her forehead, she was cold. But there was no "she" because "She" was gone. There was just this empty replica, blueish grey, made up to look like her.

I dreaded seeing her body because I knew how long it took me to get over Daphne's passing, the trauma, the tears, that lifeless thing that resembled her lying in that box. I remember the smell of formaldehyde - Daphne had used it to strengthen her nails at one point and now it literally ran in her veins.

My Fathima Moola passed away and I received the news one morning before I left for work. I didn't make it to work and instead found myself driving to her sisters, struggling against myself, my fears, and my promise. In my mind I just saw her smiling face saying "I'm Lastig! (naughty) but I want you to PROMISE you'll prepare my body. I don't have a daughter but YOU are my daughter that Allah has given me" At the time I'd thought it would be many years before I had to fulfill that promise and I could still convince her I didn't have to. "This is my last lesson for you, the only thing I can give you of myself that no-one else can teach you because only you are you and only I am me. I won't tell anyone of your promise I leave it with YOU and ALLAH. He will know" she had said. I drove, and reached, and shakingly told her sister. "I lost my sister, now you are my sister!" she wept, holding me "You must go, its important."

And so I did. We followed all the prescribed steps, and the fear when I initially saw her dissipated, replaced by love. I felt her with me, I knew that this truly WAS her gift to me because there is only one me and only one her, and no-one could take my place; each one had their own place, their own lesson, and I felt in that moment how Allah uses one situation to of death to teach us how to live. Once they had lain her down, there were greetings. They greeted her with such love, and I found myself doing the same, feeling that she was right there, watching us, smiling, enjoying our respect, the kindness of our words, the loving way one person might speak to her while holding her hand or another person might kiss her cheek. It is prescribed that the body of the beloved be covered at all times , our hands working beneath the towels to clean and wash and them perfume her; all the time prayers are recited, and we get to say quietly all those things we wish we could've said. It is as though there is no veil between life and death at that time, there is no separation. She is there, with us, we feel her soul around us and we have the confirmation of her body that she WAS here. And all those things she taught each of us are suddenly cemented. And all those things she may have said or done that were in any way negative are forgiven, completely, and forgotten, and all we wish is that she will forgive us for wherever we may have gone wrong with her. It is a reunion as much as a fond "see you soon" and if I live to be a thousand I will never, ever forget the beauty, the tenderness, the peacefulness and the closure of that day. THAT is the way I want to say goodbye, with loved ones around me, the truth of life and death naked and me covered, respected even my death to such a point that no cold words, no cold walls, no cold hands and not even cold water touches me. Instead, I too want to feel the warmth and love and kindness of too many people wanting to give this gift of final respect.

I cannot explain better than this. That is how I want to be prepared.

And then, back at the house, we her family got to see her face and she was peaceful, a beautiful smile on her face, as though she were dreaming the sweetest dream. Her body was not icy and bluish and cold and she wore no make-up that strained against her skin as had Daphne years ago. She was almost warm to the touch, she was radiant, and she was ready to say goodbye.

Yet when she left, the knowing that she would soon be laying on her side, covered in earth, the weight of her past upon her made me realise how short life is. Too short to waste with people who just aren't worth it, who cause us to sin, or cause us to grieve. LIFE should be lived in Allah's honour, and if someone is cause for continuous anger, then that someone is better served spiritually if we walk away. Life should be about loving, about preparing for that day when the scent of camphor and frankinsence fill the air, when the buckets and the gloves are passed by loving hands as loving tongues pray for our soul and our peace, and forgive us for all the tiny stuff we may have done. Life should be about death, how we prepare for it, about leaving behind all baggage and uncessary people before they become nooses around our necks on that day.

LIFE goes beyond death, and so LIFE should be lived in the knowing that this day WILL come. WHere will you be? In a drawer in a hospital? In the fire of cremation, watching? I can only imagine the horror for the soul that has to see that. It must be like dying twice. We think we know, we think we're okay with it, with whatever may happen to the body, but after my Fathima, I want to be a muslim until I die, and then beyond. Insh'Allah Ameen. oh Allah, grant Fathima the best of Paradise, Jannat ul Firdous. Look not upon her sin but upon this gift she gave me, and if you reward her a thousand times over it will be too little. And if you reward her a thousand times over then let her sins whatever they are be washed away. Insh'Allah. Ameen.

If this has moved you at all, I invite you to watch the following two youTube videos.
The first, is in homage to my Nabi, through whom and because of whom I have been given such a humbling gift as to be a muslimah..




The second, is in homage to all the readers, who, like me, will live, and die, and be returned to HIM who created the heavens and the earth and everything in between. I hope it moves you as it moved me.

Friday, April 5, 2013

Isabella - Review

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem

One of the most thought provoking books I read in the early days of my journey to Islam was "Isabella". Today I post a Review of Isabella (latest publication listed as Isabella - A Girl of Muslim Spain)

The english translation was not the best and so I found myself at times questioning the story itself simply because the english was poor. However, having finally gone through the book, I was left exhilirated by the gems, the truths, the pictures and images it left with me. To this day, 8 years later, I am still in love with this little gem. It is a must read for anyone interested in comparative religion.

Isabella is the story of a young girl, the daughter of a religious leader of the time, who happens to overhear two muslim men having a discussion. The discussion sparks a question in her which she seeks to answer, a question which leads her straight to a dark night of the soul in which she questions her own existance, her beliefs, and her community. It is a story which will not leave its reader unchallenged, whatever the background.

For readers who want to check it out and possibly read a little (or most) of the book, there is a blogger who has started typing up much of the book, particularly those sections which make one think. The blogger is Haqq Islam.

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a review of the blogsite, just of the book.

The extract below is from http://www.haqislam.org/articles/stories/isabella-a-girl-of-muslim-spain/ (all credit to the author). You may click on the chapter links to read portions of the book : "Isabella".

Contents:  (http://www.haqislam.org/articles/stories/isabella-a-girl-of-muslim-spain/ )

Thursday, March 14, 2013

Broken Telephone - living under the Redactor's spell..

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem




At the end of this post is an extract from a well known THEOLOGY college, concerning the role of a Redactor in the bible. Redactors were used both for the old testament and the new testament. Essentially these were people who were given a bunch of texts and were not told they all come from different authors, some of those authors in fact unknown. It is the Redactor's job, according to the article below, to "shape the material he has received for a purpose. Sometimes the purpose of the redactor is in harmony with the author and sometimes it is not" Sometimes, indeed the redactor him/herself does not know the purpose.

Given that:
1) The old testament and new testament both have gone through a number of "redactors" issued by different governments
2) These governments clearly stated their purpose of redaction was to develop a work with a common message that fits into the economic and political agenda of the time
3) Bible redactors who refused to participate in changes beyond a certain point were put to death
4) Despite redactors there are over 28 000 versions of the bible from which sprang churches so completely different that some are polygamous, some are not, some believe in "communion" and some do not, some believe in prophesy and some do not

...Is it not then in the mind of any sane person, extraordinarily dangerous to place one's eternal salvation in the hands of hand-me-down policies and redacted texts of which there is such variety??


 



Christians say that the changes made were slight, merely "editorial". Looking at the article at the end of this blog post, please note that the BOLD was EMBOLDENED BY the theology institute not by me, they did so, claiming to know that these WERE THE CHANGES made to these verses- do these look like "minor editorial/grammar/spelling changes" to you? Does this text not in its very essence put words into the son of MAN as though he be the son of GOD? Who then in his/her right mind would follow a text that had been so radically altered?

The article is at the end of this blog post. For now, let's look at JUST ONE of the verses which they've taken out of the so-called original text in the bible as per the theology college in question (as original as the 2nd redactor found it, so yeah... a pinch of salt here too....) - and then let's see if it DOES change with the presence of the redactor, shall we?

So - apparently (although how the even know this is beyond me since nobody does!) - the original text said::

"Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God." Jesus answered him, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above." Nicodemus said to him, "How can anyone be born after having grown old?" Jesus answered, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. Do not be astonished that I said to you, 'You must be born from above.' Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?" Jesus answered him, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things? "Very truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know and testify to what we have seen; yet you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. "

Let us understand this tiny bit of the "bible" from a Quranic and Islamic perspective (before the redactor's change):

  • "no-one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God." (Islam has no problem with the presence of God - his BREATH, (spirit/ruh) is what gave Adam (as) life
  • no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above." - the Quran says that we come from HIM and to HIM we do return. There are also many descriptions of the seven heavens, references to these being above us and to angels coming "down" to us, to hear our duahs. We are therefore born "from above" not "OF above" which indicates a fatherhood type relationship born of water and Spirit - This points directly to the islamic interpretation of creation. Adam (as) was created from clay (soil) and Allah breathed his ruh (breath/spirit) into Adam (as). Herein is the spirit. The Quran tells us that we are created from a drop of Nutfah (a drop of impure water). Therefore as creations from that drop of nutfah and descendents from Adam (as); we are created from both, and we know it.
  • just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. " How did Moses lift up the serpent?  The quran tells us, upon Moses (Musa as) going up to the mountain (the story of the burning bush in the bible) "As Prophet Musa (A) obeyed, he heard the voice ask him to throw his staff onto the ground. At once it changed into a serpent, scaring him. He was then commanded to lift the snake without fear and as he did so, it changed back into a stick." IN OTHER WORDS - he did not KILL the snake. The snake did not DIE and then get resurrected; it was lifted up. Moses put his hand down, and lifted up the snake- he didn't kill it first! Just the same way, Jesus (Essa as) is telling everyone that just as miraculously as a snake is picked up and held in Moses' hand, the  stick could be put back down (and was, in front of the pharoah) and turn back into a snake, SO TOO Allah would reach out, and LIFT Jesus up to the heavens (ASCENSION) and will be put back onto the earth. And whomsoever believes IN THAT - MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. No-where does Jesus say that you are to believe that he will be killed and rise from the dead. The snake was not killed; it was LIFTED UP. The quran says that Jesus (Essa as) was lifted up.. Now Christians will say "oh but if he was lifted up he had to be dead." But Jesus (Essa as) is not the first person to have ascended, and christians indeed believe in the ascension of not ONLY Jesus (Essa as) but others.
Let us now look at the SAME verse AFTER the redactor's change? (Redactor's Changes are highlighted)


"Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God." Jesus answered him, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above." Nicodemus said to him, "How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be astonished that I said to you, 'You must be born from above.' The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?" Jesus answered him, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things? "Very truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know and testify to what we have seen; yet you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God."
Read that again, for yourself - HAS the message changed?
In the first (more original, so they say) version, Jesus speaks of being lifted up, and no-where does he claim God as FATHER - let's look at what these additions are:
  • Can one enter a second time into the mother's womb and be born?" - So much for Chrisitans "rebirth" right?

  • What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.  - this is completely contradictory since Jesus said that one must be born of water AND spirit - right in this same verse!

  • The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.  Who said that? Doesn't Jesus say you must be born of water AND the spirit? Now this says you should ONLY be born of the spirit/ let's go back to the PURPOSE for the redaction - what on earth could it have been?

  • No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And   Said who? Did JESUS say this? But how Christians stand by this when they believe in the ascention of Elija and Elisha, of Moses, and of Mary? hmm...  a slight editorial change, you say? To homogenise things, you say? Methinks there be a hornet in this nest!

  • For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God." - This is possibly one of the most quoted and cited verses in christianity today. AND YET - THIS was actually written by a redactor? Well well well... Nonetheless, let's look at this... it does NOT say that those who believe he was raised up and not killed are "unsaved" - it says that THOS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS NAME... (in his existance, per chance?) Muslims DO believe in Jesus (Essa as).. And WHERE did this "SON OF GOD come in, when Jesus has referred to himself the whole time in this verse as the son of Man? The redactor just said that you are EITHER born of "flesh" or born of the spirit, leading the reader to think "oh, Jesus was born of the spirit" - and JESUS says he is the son of man (who is flesh). so GOD refers to the "spirit" only, then Jesus is EITHER mere flesh, or he is the son of God (Spirit) - he cannot be both because the redactor says what is born of the flesh is flesh and what is born of the spirit is spirit.  The answer? ISLAM says that we are FLESH into which the BREATH (spirit) of God has been breathed through Adam (as). Seems to me we are the believers in what Jesus said, far more than christians appear to be...
The choice, dear christian reader, is clear - you believe a Redactor, or you believe JESUS. And if you believe JESUS, then by all descriptions above from Jesus:
1)you believe in ONE God,
2)you believe Jesus is the son of MAN (not God),
3)you believe Jesus is flesh and spirit, as we all are.  Why? Because THAT is what Jesus said, among the bits some unknown redactor added in there.. And people wonder why muslims don't believe in the bible? We believe in the INJEEL - the word, the living word that was put into Jesus (the man) which he taught and lived by.. but we do not believe in some 4 redactor's version of the truth - and the above is why!
I don't know what's worse - that the redactions are taken as "gospel truth" (pardon the pun) or that they appear to KNOW what some of the redactions are and defend these despite the fact that it changes SO much!
 So here's the article - feel free to do a similar evaluation of the 2nd verse.
Redaction Criticism is the study of editorial activity. A redactor is simply an editor who shapes the material he has received for a purpose. Sometimes the purpose of the redactor is in harmony with the author and sometimes it is not. In this segment of our study we will be examining the methods used to discover editorial work and how it can be distinguished from the authors own work. Performing redaction criticism is simply a matter of (again) asking questions of the text. The first question that must be asked is, does the segment of text I am looking at show "seams" or "stitches". Seams or stitches are obvious comments in the text which interrupt the flow of the narrative. These are called "commentary" by literary critics. (NB: It must be noted that the various methods of criticism overlap in places). If there is an obvious seam, then one must ask- does this seam attempt to clarify the passage; or does it seem to take the passage in another direction? The following passage will illustrate these questions. The BOLD face type are those words deemed editorial comments. The normal face type is the original narrative. The student will note that the editorial comments serve either to explain a word or phrase, or to make a theological comment which explains the text. The passage is John 3:1ff.
"Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God." Jesus answered him, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above." Nicodemus said to him, "How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be astonished that I said to you, 'You must be born from above.' The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?" Jesus answered him, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things? "Very truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know and testify to what we have seen; yet you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God."
The bold print can clearly be seen to interrupt the flow of the narrative and the it frequently offers clarification or explanation. This is what redaction critics mean when they talk of edited text. The student can find these editorial insertions and clarifications in most passages in the Bible. The passage above is offered simply because it is very well known. The purpose of these editorial insertions is to make explicit what the editor saw as the underlying theological message. The editor thus saw himself as simply making plain what he may have considered to be unclear. Redaction criticism is a very subjective method and the student should make sure that there is a clear seam before assigning a passage to the editor. A very famous, and yet plainly clear example of editorial work is found in the so called "long ending" of Mark. The oldest manuscripts of Mark do not contain Mark 16:9ff (see the text criticism module). The verses appended by a later editor clearly attmempt to harmonize the ending of Mark with the endings of Matthew and Luke. Here, the editor wanted to make sure that the "Great Commission" and the post resurrection appearences were included in Mark. He saw their absence as a possible source of confusion- so he clarified by adding them in! Here is Mark 16. Again, the BOLD face type are the editorial insertions while the plain type is the original narrative of the author:
"When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. They had been saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?" When they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had already been rolled back. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man, dressed in a white robe, sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed. But he said to them, "Don't be alarmed. You are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here. Look, there is the place they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you." So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid. Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons. She went out and told those who had been with him, while they were mourning and weeping. But when they heard that he was alive and had been seen by her, they would not believe it. After this he appeared in another form to two of them, as they were walking into the country. And they went back and told the rest, but they did not believe them. Later he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were sitting at the table; and he upbraided them for their lack of faith and stubbornness, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation. The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover." So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and proclaimed the good news everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that accompanied it."
This editoritorial addition can be seen by anyone. In the original narrative, the women leave the tomb terrified and speak to no one. In the editorial addition the women speak to the disciples! The student should also note the harmonization with the other Gospels which takes place in this editorial addition. When one is able to use the method of Redaction criticism, one is able to separate the strands of the author and the editor. This is a very important task in the theological explication of the Bible.

Friday, March 8, 2013

Planting fruit

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem

I came across a few hadith and had to share them! (I will look up the references later, but if anyone has them, please feel free to say so in the comments section)

“When a Muslim plants a plant, anything eaten of it or stolen from it, until the Day of Resurrection, is accounted as charity for him.”

How beautiful is that? I've planted trees which I've left behind, and I've planted herbs and vegetables which have been shared/given and even some have been stolen. I'm so excited now, I want to go out and plant a whole bunch more!! Talk about planting FRUIT!!

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“How praiseworthy are the women of Ansar that their modesty does not prevent them from attempts at learning and the acquisition of knowledge.”

In other words, women should be modest, yet it is praiseworthy if they acquire knowledge. (One must of course understand this means good knowledge, and there's no point in knowledge if what you're learning is how to rob a bank!)

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A little clarity - these may surprise you if you live on what the media feeds you -

“The Prophet has prohibited the believers from looting and plunder" (Bukhari)
“Do not destroy villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.”
“Do not kill any old person, any child or any women” (AbuDawud)
“Do not kill the monks in monasteries” and “ do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” (Ibn Hanbal)
“Do not attack a wounded person.”
“No prisoner should be put to the sword.”
“The greatest sins are to associate something with God and to kill human beings.”


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Monday, February 25, 2013

A stick a stick a spade a spade

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem

Truth, wherever you find it, whatever its shape or form, remains truth. You may not want to see it, you may choose not to accept it, you may decide to turn a blind eye to it. None of this changes the fact that TRUTH is TRUTH. Truth doesn't depend on wether you think it's old fashioned or modern, it doesn't change if you decide to pretend it isn't there. It just IS.

The arabic word for it is Haqq. (TRUTH, in its absolute form). The thing about coming to Islam is you realise that your inner TRUTH is. Most reverts will tell you that there simply came a day when they were muslim. They didn't choose to walk away from what they believed, they simply realised, one day, that what they believed in no longer resonated in them. Why? Because the TRUTH will set you free. (As Jesus -Essa as- said).

So why is it that people will choose to believe in ANYTHING as bizarre as it may seem, rather than the truth? For example, why would someone believe in poltergeists but not in Jinnati? Why would they believe angels fall yet say they are created without choice?

The answer, for me, is this: Truth is INALIENABLE, and it demands action. Truth cuts between the very marrow of life and whatever existed before the light of truth has shone, simply is no more. No pretence can cover up the void of what no longer exists. As the saying goes, you can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you will NEVER fool all of the people all of the time. Why? Because YOU will know you're pretending, and that means there's ONE person you can't fool.

The TRUTH therefore, is that one thing that cuts to the quick of whatever you may have believed before. When Jesus (Essa, as) said that "I AM THE TRUTH, THE WAY, and THE LIFE" he is saying three things -
a) THE TRUTH - in other words, not PAUL, not PETER, JESUS (Essa, as). What did he do?
       1) he rose early to pray, left people at lunchtime to pray, would "retreat" to pray throughout the day.
       2) he prostrated to pray
b) THE WAY -
       3) he said, when asked how to pray "OUR FATHER (creator in Hebrew, don't go literal crazy - READ what it said!!)in other words, he said ASK HIM, the ONE
       4) he said that real followers of his would be seen by their works, that they would DO WHAT HE DID. (review points 1 through to 3)
c) THE LIFE -
      5) One should lead the life he led.  (for a third time, he re-itterates DO WHAT HE DID - see 1 - 3.
      6) he said that until he returns, not a single dot from an i or a till from a T would be removed from the "word of God". Yet the bible has over 28000 versions, so what did he mean? He meant that the WORD - the TRUTH - is not dependent on man changing the books, it will survive, it will always be THE TRUTH. It was not just a statement but a warning that EVERYTHING that had been prescribed, remained.
    7) He said he didn't come to abolish the law, but to fufil it. How much clearer could he have been, our beloved Jesus (Essa, as)

So I ask you - what would he have to say for you to believe he was NOT the son of God? Let's look at SOME of what JESUS said..
1) That he ISN'T God? He said that! He said, when Pilates told him the people accuse him of saying he is the son of God - he said "IT IS YOU THAT SAYS THAT!"
2) He said GO TO THE FATHER. (Creator, in Hebrew, not literally "father")
3) He said pray TO the FATHER (Creator, in Hebrew, not literally father - are you getting this?)
4) He said NOTHING would be removed from the law until he returned. Has he returned? (If you believe he died and then was raised, you need to ask yourself if GOD can DIE.. you then need to go read the bible where he said he WILL RETURN... so, why are you eating pork, for example?)
5)He said "My God, my GOD, why have YOU abandoned ME?" - in other words, here we see TWO people; GOD, and ME. If you say he was separated from God by sin, then you cannot say God died for your sins, because he was separated, right?
6) He was the friend of beggars, prostitutes, and spent his life telling people about GOD - not about HIMSELF.. what do christians do?

If Jesus said ALL the above, and he is your TRUTH, your WAY and your LIFE - how are you living? What truth are you believing? Who are YOU praying to? If you're confused, you need to hear not from Paul, or Peter, or any man - you need to read the words of God himself - did you know the Quran is written in the first person, by a man who never learnt to read, a book that has never been changed or adulterated since the day it was made, who will tell you about our beloved JESUS and about his return, as he promised.

Maybe, just maybe, you need an inspiration to TRUTH. Not because I said it, but because HE did.

So many people wear the bracelets, and so many people wear the necklaces, the bookcases, etc.. these ALL say the same thing, as though Jesus (Essa as) is somehow whispering from back in the day "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO????"

Would he follow Paul? Would he follow Peter? Would he follow HIMSELF? Or would he turn you to face the CREATOR because of HIS LOVE for HIM.. We muslims believe in the INJEEL - the living word that Jesus (Essa as) was.. the book that was within him, through his actions. Even the bible says "In the beginning there was the word, and the word became man." - JESUS (Essa as) is the WORD - are you listening to him, or to PAUL, PETER, or the NICENE council?

Food for thought, isn't it?